2 comments about Dead or Alive: The Mystery of Tupac Shakur, the Alive Theories.

1. This book is the worst rip off of Tupac Shakur yet. The Book is poorly written and was made purely to make money. He gives an awful biography and treats the Biggie beef as if thats all anyone in 1996 lived for. The few (he did leave most of them out) alive thoeries that he did list can be found any 2Pac fan site and the lyrics that he quotes are often incorrect on what Tupac says. He does not get into any detail whatsoever with the 7 day theory or anything and just list lyrics that are often wrong and 50 reason why he is alive. At the end of the book, he talks about Tha Realest (he even spells it wrong), a former Death Row artist who has a voice similar to Tupac. He made the comparison that he is really Tupac. That was the most stupid and ignorant thing i have ever read. Please do not buy this and disrespect Tupac's legacy. There is plenty of great Tupac books out there that are real (and all them talk about the alive theories) like Dyson's Holler if you Hear me: Searching for Tupac Shakur. Plus, all of the pictures of him, including the cover are just poorly drawn pictures of him. Also, although published in 2004 it was written in 1998 so it is outdated and the author just did an awful job in his writing, as he only basis for the book was his own opinion and has no real backup for anything, so he did not do his research like Dyson did. If you are Tupac fan, you already know the alive theories and if you don't just go to any 2Pac fan site. This is not one reason in the world anyone should buy this disrespectful rip-off of a book.



2. This book was great. I know you may of heard of other reveiews, but this book was actually the only book that I could find that covers the alive conspiracy theory in detail. The other books were fake biographies of Tupac. This one actually talked about things that most people want to know. To me it seemed like a begeining to of what I call a revolution of books to come in the future. This book will start the JFK revolution of Tupac. Many books will follow on search of the truth and many will make their own interpretaiton in movies, and Lord knows what else. Great book, but it brings up more questions than before. If you've had doubts in your mind that Tupac is not dead, Then this is the book for you. if you want to know about Tupac as a kid, Then you might want to try another book. This book is for enquiring minds. But don't take my word, try it yourself at a library before you make judgement if you are scared to buy it. But honestly it is a good book. i bought one for myself and my nephew for his birthday he loved it. He said he doesn't think Tupac is dead either.

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5 comments about The Tupac Shakur Collection.

1. I ORDERED THIS BOOK THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD BOOK ON TUPAC..I PRE-ORDERED IT BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A DESCRIPTION ON IT..WHO KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE MUSIC FOR THE FREAKIN PIANO..I GUESS IT WAS MY BAD..ON MY PART. JUST BE PREPARED. IM NOT MAD AT MY PURCHASE BECAUSE IT GOES WELL WITH MY COLLECTION. JUST KNOW WHAT UR GETTING.



2. Hey TuPac was my favorite and he will always by my favorite.The books and everything are so good! I love the book The Rose That Grew From Concret!



3. tupacs alive if he dont come back june 16 then thats just whack 4 pac to rap about faking his death and about the 7 day theory and everything else he faked his death straight up i hope pac comes back cause hes the illest rapper there iz no one raps like tupac pretty much rap aint the same with out pac and this book iz good buy it



4. I dont care what anybody says, Tupac Shakur has died. Let his soul rest in piece. Get it through your heads the hip hop legend DIED, he aint ever going to come back. I don see why erybody stressin da fact. Hes gone people. As sad as that is its a fact. He was ma all time FAV rapper. Without him all is lost. BUY THIS BOOK IT WAS GREAT. YOU LEARN MORE ABOUT THE LATE GREAT TUPAC SHAKUR HIMSELF:P



5. Everything about 2Pac is good. He was and is the best rapper and always will be and at least he didn't go out like a punk, if he even went out at all because it's real funny that after he supposedly got killed, by fat biggy's people, his next album came out and the first thing it said was "ya'll can't kill me."
   
   Elvis ain't dead either. If you don't like it then stay away from everything 2 Pac.

1 comments about Tupac Remembered.

1. Like with any new Pac album, I always get excited the first day I hold it in my hands and the anticipation of what's on the CD is always a good feeling, I mean c'mon its new Pac material.
   
   The books are no different, I still get the same feeling, because I know we as fans are getting to know more information about the life of Tupac Shakur.
   
   As soon as the book came I ripped open the Amazon packaging and went away to a quiet spot (so I wouldn't be interrupted by anybody) and read this wonderful book all the way through.
   
   My first impressions were how well presented and smart it looked. That's something Tupac's estate have done with all the books they have released, they are very well put together and they look like books that would be seen on coffee tables in libraries or on display in café's. Very professionaly created and a good read.
   
   If you were a fan of the Tupac Legacy book, well Tupac Remembered is just as good, full of good information that you didn't know about Tupac from his family and friends who share with you cherished memories and personal snap shots of tupac.
   
   It's been very well put together with each chapter reminding you of something that you loved about Tupac and also things you miss about him.
   
   Contributors to this project include many hip hop and rap notables such as Jada Pinkett-Smith (with whom Tupac went to Baltimore School for the Arts), Jasmine Guy, Dr. Maya Angelou, Nikki Giovanni, Sonia Sanchez, Big Syke, Shock G, Russell Simmons, Sekyiwa, Mutulu Shakur, Snoop Dogg, The Outlawz, Kevin Powell, Common, E40, Talib Kweli, Baron Davis, Eminem, Treach, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre,and many others.
   
   Each person share their own feelings and thoughts and how pac influenced them and each statement makes up a big clear picture of the many sides to Pac that we as fans wouldn't have known if it wasn't for these types of books that have been released to the public.
   
   Theres a part in the book that really moved me.
   Molly (a good friend of Tupac and his personal assistant) shares one of her memories where she recalls there was something on the news about a little girl who had been gang raped and left alone in a house which was set on fire and she said "what kind of animals would do such a thing?
   And she looked at pac who had tears in his eyes and Pac said "imagine what kind of animal hurt that child so badly it caused them to do something so horrific?
   That touched me a lot, that's some very deep stuff, and that was what Pac was all about, he never passed judgement, he always looked at things in a different way to the rest of us. I kept on reading this part over and over again, this part defiantly moved me.
   Theres another story where Tupac's sister 'Set' recalls "One time I had a loose tooth and Tupac wanted to pull it out. I was crying and crying, saying " No Tupac, you can't pull my tooth out". Then he started crying " you don't trust me, i'm your brother and you don't love me? Just an example of his love for his sister. Her story also was a bit sad to when she mentions about the last time she spoke with Pac and she got the impression it was his way of saying goodbye, it kind of come across like he new what was about to happen. Very moving.
   
   Also I enjoyed reading Jada's part in the book, her relationship with pac at Baltimore through her relationship with will. I think she also said it best when she mentioned that people connected to his passion, to his heart and soul, that's why he touch's so many people throughout the world.
   
   These type of projects is what Tupac fans want, we all want the CD's released but the books are also just as important to Tupac's Legacy, its something that needs to be put out often.
   
   I enjoyed reading 'Tupac Remembered and the rest of the books Tupac's Estate has put out. Each book that gets released, you get to know personal information about how extradionary Tupac was, he wasn't just a rapper, he was an amazing individual.
   
   I remember when the tupac poem book (The Rose that grew from concrete) came out. I was in English class and we were talking about poems and how poets construct a poem. And we all went around the class because the teacher asked us if we had read poems and do we have a favourite poet? When it came to me I said, I enjoy reading poems by 2pac? All of a sudden everyone stared laughing and they said - do you know 2pac was a GANGSTA rapper? So I took the book from out of my bag and showed the teacher and the class who soon had stop laughing and the teachers face was a picture. She was amazed of the poems that tupac had written.
   
   To this day this I don't know how many times I have picked it up and read the poems inside - too many to count. And this is what I'm trying to say, these books show a different side to tupac that we wouldn't have known about.
   
   Anyways just thought I would share with you my thoughts on this amazing book, I highly recommend it to any Tupac fan, you won't be disapointed.

5 comments about Holler If You Hear Me: Searching for Tupac Shakur.

1. Here is an overview of some of the issues and ideas expressed by the Reverend Professor Dyson in this book about Tupac Shakur.
   
   Tupac's mother was a Black Panther, who had served as her own lawyer to acquit herself out of a COINTELPRO frameup. For the most part, it seems from the mid-70's onward, her involvement with the Panthers, had blacklisted her from the mainstream. By the early 80's, she had developed a severe addiction to crack cocaine. But she nonetheless managed to cultivate in Tupac a precocious intellect. He became a very literate young fellow, interested in political issues, art, literature and the theater. Tupac's family moved to Baltimore in 1986 and there he entered a School of Arts where he excelled. According to Dyson, he organized Stop the Violence and AIDS awareness campaigns as a student. However his mother was getting more crazy and kicked Tupac out on the street. He ended up in Marin City CA outside of Oakland in the home of the wife of the then wrongfully imprisoned Geronimo Pratt. The Pratt home was apparently very broken. According to Dyson, Tupac had a great difficult fitting in upon arriving in Marin City. He didn't know how to play basketball, wrote poetry, dressed like a hippy, and was a target of gangs. According to the taped interview of Tupac at age 17, that Dyson quotes extensively from, Tupac complained that he was rejected by a girl on the ground that he was "too nice." Tupac in the tape declares that he will keep treating the girls right and maybe they won't fall for the bad boys anymore and turn to sensitive, decent fellows like him. Tupac fled the Pratt house, and ended up in an abandoned apartment with some of his friends. He got a job at a pizza parlor. He started selling drugs but apparently some street people dissuaded him from it. He had just turned seventeen, when he met Leila Steinberg, a lovely young white woman with an admixture of Jewish and Chicano ancestry. Steinberg conducted workshops in the inner city high schools in the area that allowed youth to engage in various artistic forms. Tupac moved in with her and her then husband, a black rap promoter and children. He became her assistant.
   
   By the early 90's Tupac with Steinberg as reading partner, was consuming religious tracts of all the religions, such novelists as Alice Walker, Herman Meliville and William Styron, the poetry of Sonia Sanchez, Nikki Giovanni and Maya Angelou, books of investigative journalism, Nietzsche,W.E.B. Dubois. He read Eurocentric works and tried to discredit them. He also read Sigmund Freud to discredit him, according to Steinberg; he held the opinion that Freud was "a frustrated homosexual who never fully formulated his opinions."
   
   Beyond the great intellect, Dyson writes, Tupac struggled with some mighty demons. His relationship with his mother had really wrecked havoc with him psychologically. Like a lot of ghetto youth, he had identity problems. He came of age in an era of the "white blacklash" and "white flight",of the deregulation that allowed the fleeing of working class manufacturing jobs to poor countries, of declining government subsidies. Meanwhile, more and more blacks were hoarded into prison on such principles of justice that places harsh justice on the consumer of crack but relatively light sentences on the predominantly wealthy white users of powder cocaine.
   
   According to Dyson, Tupac defined thuggery in terms of someone who is trying to survive and be a man in a society that shuns and oppress them. Tupac made an acronym of thug life-"the hate you give little infants f-ks everyone." Dyson quotes Vijay Prashad on the interesting roots of the word "thug." It apparently is rooted in the Indian subcontinent and referred to brigands who robbed bullion cargos being looted by the British imperialists.
   
   The thug life gives ghetto youth self-esteem and fellowship with other males. Tupac had similar motivations according to Dyson for entering the gangsta rap world with his second album. He tried to live that life to the fullest, getting drunk and high a lot. He lived life very recklessly, challenging god to bring death on him. In this flirting with death, Tupac expressed the psychological state of all too many ghetto residents, including chiliastic impulses, a deep down severe pain with life on this earth.
   
   Dyson writes that most folks don't really consider Tupac really guilty of the offense for which he spent eleven months in prison. The woman claimed that Tupac had participated in a gang rape of her. He was only convicted of "forcibly" touching her buttocks. The prison experience damaged him. He might have been raped there. Dyson discusses sexism in the black community. He writes that the Million Man March sponsored by Farrakhan was an example of black men getting together to affirm that they going to live constructive lives.
   
   Tupac's embrace of thuggery seems pretty silly to say the least. No doubt he was trying to make some money by cultivating the image, as the Notorious B.I.G. later claimed Tupac told him.
   
   Dyson at times writes clearly and simply, even musically; much of the rest of the time, he writes in a rambling, gnarled, bookish style. There are times particularly in the last chapter, when he is almost unreadable. Nonetheless, he paints of moving picture of Tupac, who, in the true style of the poet, could evoke profound emotion with simple words and his vocal skills in his songs.



2. and so it may be unfair for me to give an opinion but sense i am a book worm, the kind that prides myself on reading a book in one day, I feel that I am experienced enough to pick up a certain sense of the author by the first chapter.
   Now, in saying that, so far, from what I've read, I feel the authoer (Mr. Dyson) is trying to appeal to people outside of hip hop because it is as if he's saying that Tupac was more than a thug, or there was something very dynamic about his thug formula at the same time tragic (to say the least).
   There's no doubt in my man that Tupac (r.i.p.) was an intelligent person to some level because of how he articulated his words and I knew he had some grass root flavor because the brother was straight up real in what he was saying (interviews, appearences) outside of his music. But I feel that Mr. Dyson is trying to tell the world (white world?) that Tupac was a very soulful and artistic person who was gotten trapped inside of his art that lead to a very tragic ending; that he (tupac had more to offer the world) before his early death.
   I feel that who ever Mr. Dyson was trying to reach with his semi-autobiography of the slain star is very least insulting towards the average person's intelligence because history dictates that once a person is stuck with interest by a person, place or thing, that person will go out on their own to find out more information about the object of their attention (be it elderly white rock n' roll types, blues people, whoever) and in saying that, perhaps, this type of mindset is who Mr. Dyson was aiming at.
   Another thing that bothers me about hip hop journalism in general is that in general, I don't know who were the true ideal reader that these books are meant for: are they for the true hip hopper or is it the true hippor and a more broader reading base (with high literary skills?) because whenever I read this types of books (3 so far) I need a thesaurus next to me. And I figure hip hop isn't about using big words, and so if one wants to write about the art form, they have to also think like the fan and not like themselves to make a core impact. Not that I'm saying this book hasn't made a good impact (look at the other reviews) but when one makes a comparison (and you should), I like Chuck D's book, "Fight the Power" because it's simple, down to earth, and honest. Infact, I was surprised how Chuck D honest approach throughout the whole book because he was humble and not egotistical or biased.
   Anyway, read the book, like I'm continuing to do so and judge for yourself.



3. Tupac Amaru Shakur may not have been Hip Hop's "best" rapper of all time, but he is hands down, without question, the greatest and most compelling Hip Hop FIGURE, of all time. what amazes me so much about Tupac is how he seems to represent so many different things to so many different people.Some people see Tupac as nothing more then a foul mouthed Thug who got what he deserved when he was killed. Other people see him as a Hip Hop Martyr/revolutionary who was on the verge of becoming a great leader, when he was killed. Then their are those who who don't think of Tupac as anything more then a dead rapper. While others see 2pac as not only the voice for his genre, but rather the voice for his generation.To me, the truth is, Tupac was/is probably a combination of all those things to some degree. He is and probably will always remain the only true ICON in rap.Like I said earlier, he wasn't the best rapper, he wasn't the best lyricist, he didn't have the best metaphors, he wasn't the best battle rapper, but it was just somthing about him, something about his charisma, someting about his passion, something about his emotion, something about his words, something about his voice, that just somehow seemed to separate him from everyone else.If their was one M.C. who deserved a book written about them and their life, Pac was clearly that person.
   
   I gave this book 4 stars, but it really deserves about a 3.5 star rating. The book is supposed to be about Tupac, but Tupac only seems to be a vehicle for Michael Dyson to discuss Young Black Males as a whole. That's all fine and dandy, but I didn't buy this book for that.I bought this book to get insight on Tuapc, and in terms of that, this book dissapointed to a certain degree.But what really grabed me in this book was when they were talking about his experiance in prison. They talked about how he may or may not have been raped. To me, that was nothing more then what it was, a rumer. A lot of people don't know this, and something they should have added in the book, right before he went to prison and after he was shot 5 times, he was suicidal.In fact, at his house one day, his family caught him sitting in a living room with F**k the world written across his forehead and a 45 pistal he was pointing at his head. Now imagine, on top of everything else, how he would have reacted, if the most degrading, humiliating thing that could possibly happen to a man(or women for that matter), happened to him, on top of everything else.Ive digressed.
   
   The bottom line is, this would have been a very enjoyible book, sans all of the big words as well as all the interviews with people who not only didn't know Tupac but in all likelihood, never even so much as seen or came in contact with the brother before(Stanly crouch,Kephra Burns,Mos def Talib Kweli, Bishop T.D. Jakes, Ray Jay, Sonia Sanchez,ect.).In fact, I really don't even know what buisiness they had even being put in this book(W/ all do respect to all of them).The book Title is called; "Searching For Tupac Shakur" not, "What people who never even knew Tupac Shakur think about him". If you want a real book on Tupac Shakur, and only Tupac Shakur, Then you should pick up Darrin Bastfields book on Tupac.This, buy no means,is a bad book however.



4. I must give props to Micheal Eric Dyson. He did a good job on this autobiography of this rebel of the underground. Michael Eric Dyson writes pretty good detailed accounts on Tupac's life without the being bias or partial(something a lot of these trash ragazines couldnt do to save their puny lives!). This son of a Black Panther was a lot deeper than these egocentric clowns you compare him to in the rap game. Tupac was giving you gems since his first magnum opus 2pacalypse Now. A lot of the rappers you compare him to still talk abou absolutely nothing. Its sad that there are still some childish jackals out there trying to desecrate the memory of this conscious poet. Even though he was a flawed character(like everybody else!) he was still giving you treasures like Part Time Mutha, Trapped, Violent, Keep Your Head Up, Point Tha Finga, Dear Mother etc and Micheal Eric Dyson notes this. I strongly recommend Holla If You Hear Me. REST IN PEACE TUPAC AMARU SHAKUR AND PEACE TO MICHAEL ERIC DYSON



5. Micheal Dyson's book "Holler If You Hear Me: Searching for Tupac Shakur" was a pleasant and refreshing surprise. I purchased the book thinking it would be another biography of my favorite artist and I got so much more. It spoke to me intellectually as well as making me culturally aware of the issues and concerns of the black community yesterday, today, and tommorrow. I felt like this is the best book about Tupac out there today, not because it follows every step of his life, but because I got to take a look at him as a protagonist and an antagonist in urban socieity. I found out what books he read, what people thought of him outside of his culture, the influence he had on society outside of rap, and most importantly I figured out about his thought process and honesty. Michael even gives us an interesting perspective of Tupac as a child of a Black Panther, the last of the Shakurs'. This book is for anyone who is a real fan of Tupac and wants to see him from every angle possible.

5 comments about The Covert War Against Rock: What You Don't Know About the Deaths of Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Michael Hutchence, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Phil Ochs, ... Tosh, John Lennon, and The Notorious B.I.G..

1. You'll get no congratulations here on your book: This is just another paranoid attempt to slam the U.S. government, for the deaths of some dopey rockers on dope. Wake up" there should be no big mystery as to why these people died. They all lived lives of excess filled with drugs and alcohol, a bunch of fallen stars who burned out way before their time, except for lennon and topac who were shot to death, the others died the way they lived FAST" You see there's no big mystery to their deaths after all, just a few star struck americans who refuse to see their rock and roll idols, for what they really were.



2. What a terrible book. To even entertain the theory that Bob Marley died b/c the CIA INJECTED melanoma skin cancer into him is insane. It can not be done, so to push that conspiracy is plain irresponsible.
   
   Bad excuse for a book. The author is a joke.



3. The Covert War Against Rock explores the unanswered questions and disinformation surrounding the deaths of several rock stars. This was good, but not great. Lots of interesting stuff in this but I think in most of these cases Constantine tries way too hard to connect the dots and show government and/or organized crime complicity in some of these deaths. Just because the FBI had a file on them or they associated with gangsters in the music business doesn't mean they were murdered. That being said, although there is no definitive proof, I lean heavily toward there being government or criminal involvement in the deaths of John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones. All you people that think Jim Morrison faked his death should just forget about it. I think he just got into his girlfriends heroin stash and overdosed.



4. Many elements of the truth here, but realize that the forces that do entertainers in are (95% of the time) the SAME FORCES that created them. Music has been used for subversive activity for THOUSANDS of years and "modern" rock and roll is more like a re-discovery of sorts by the Elite controllers. Sound frequency can have very specific effects on people, and many of them are not even discernable to the conscious mind. Thus, subliminal programming of music is crucial, and the creation of certain "beats" to create a hypnotic effect is vital so that all the subliminal stuff can "get in the back door" to your mind (thus affecting behaviour / opinions etc) so to speak. Great for social / political control obviously. Famous bands and singers are the delivery mechanism for this (much like a cigarette is merely a "nicotine delivery device" for the tobacco industry because it wants you addicted to their product), not the creative powers or artists that we are told. For example, The Beatles most assuredly did not create their own music, nor were they some childhood assembly of tremendously talented musicians who became legends. They were created as a social experiment (literally by the Tavistock Institute of London) and released in a controlled fashion to the World. They were part of introducing our culture to drugs and "dropping out" etc, therefore they were not the big threat to the Establishment that we were told as they were created by those who are the Establishment at its core! Info about the deaths of Brian Epstein and Paul McCartney can be very illuminating in this regard. The Rolling Stones were created by the same people at the same time and were meant to balance off the goody image of the Beatles. Any rock band who is in the know will tell you how dark and powerful and ruthless the Stones really are. The music for both the Beatles and the Stones (perhaps not the lyrics so much) was "designed", mixed, and layed down as tracks by the SAME GUY!
   
   Drinking, doing drugs, having sex, being wild, or talking about peace in general is not what gets these people killed. Rather, their own programming can break down and they can be considered liabilities due to things they saw or participated in (such as government drug running, murder, Satanic practice / sacrifice, hard-core pornography, pedophilia, and others). And because these people are often so famous, any "loose lips" on these topics can be a disaster for those who created them. Killing them is the only solution. Jimi Hendrix is a classic example of this concern, and watching one of his ex-girlfriends talk (on a documentary) about all of his concerns and fears just prior to his death is fascinating. This is why current stars who are having de-programming nightmares (Britney Spears is a great example) are in real jeopardy of losing their lives if they can't be properly re-programmed to carry on the agenda. Loose lips sink ships don't you know...
   
   Add to this crazy soup, the very real issue of body doubles (and some say clones...) within the entertainment industry (and politics for that matter), then we have the possibility of the stars being eliminated without their fans realizing it (Paul McCartney remains the best modern example of this although this has happened in other bands), and the stars themselves being able to fake their own deaths in order to escape from their controllers (very difficult to do, but maybe accomplished by Jim Morrison). Perhaps a more common scenario, is for a star to be able to escape somehow, and the controllers publicly killing a body double so that the real star can never surface and be taken seriously with their horrific stories ever again (is this what happened with Elvis?). This stuff happens folks, as bizarro as it might seem. The music and film industries are so filled with covert tactics, mind control, satanic practice, duplicity, social control, and outright murder that the outrageousness of it all has created the perfect "cover". In other words, it's so crazy as to be totally unbelievable to those of us "fans". Is it any wonder why the music and movie stars are so messed up and so miserable / paranoid? Look back and see what people like Kurt Cobain and Bob Marley were saying about their situations; it's time to take their words / warnings seriously.
   
   So, the general topic matter of this book is vital, and the exact agenda behind the killings secondary I think. Getting people to realize how diabolical the entertainment industry is to our minds is primary and we can quibble over the details later. In this regard, Alex is to be applauded. But, if I wrote a book on this topic I would name it "The covert war and USE of the music industry on modern society, and the collateral damage of those who try and blow their whistle". The War is not on Rock and Roll, rather it is on us and some of the deprogrammed agents of the agenda (aka Rock Stars) who try and thwart it get killed in the process. Ironically, the "old foggies" of the 1950s who warned us of Rock and Roll and its evil beats might have been more correct than they could have imagined.



5. One of the reviewers said there are other rock star deaths Alex Constantine didn't mention. True. Constantine's ¨Anti-Fascist research Bin¨ web site shows deaths of a young journalist(Duncan) and her boyfriend. If you follow this story to Bill Knott's blog, a professor from Emerson College writes that Duncan's death was not a suicide, and says, ¨They killed Theresa Duncan for trying to expose them, and they'll kill me for the same reason.¨ A professor worried about being killed! I would not believe all this if it weren't for the fact I am group stalked as described by private investigator David Lawson. To read excerpts from his book, go to www.raven1.net The CIA has a program to marry off all us liberals and political activists. They found out how to get conservatives to marry us. I had no boyfriend for 15 years, but now I can't keep these men away from me.